Kingkiller Denna Is Not Denna Never See Her Again

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Why is Denna and then shittily written? In fact why is this thing full of wish fulfillment cardboard-cutouts? Also, why practise women only have a decorative function in it?

Lucy Hattersley I liked it right up to the point where he had "Legend Sex With Queen Of Teh Faries" and was "Best At Sexual practice Evah" from that point on.

The spell was broken and I just sniggered through the rest. It read like a 16-year-old Reddit wank fantasy from that indicate on.

Marlowe I really remember Denna is quite well written. When I was a teenager, I had a friend who was in an calumniating relationship, and it was and then frustrating and heartbreaking to sentry. Like Kvothe, I wanted to be able to snap her out of it, or perchance fifty-fifty to be her rescuer, but it simply doesn't work that way. Y'all can't salvage someone from their ain choices.

Instead, I had to larn - just like Kvothe - that all I could do was be there for her. I could be her respite, and I could be a reminder of what she could have in a romantic human relationship. And, in the terminate, she did leave the guy, and I was the one she came to for support, and she's now doing very well. Simply there were many bridges burned with other friends and her family when they tried to rescue her and broke contact with them.

Then for me, I'm actually enjoying Denna's graphic symbol because she reads and so real. Even ameliorate, she isn't simply a adult female in an abusive human relationship - she'south likewise a musician, one who is very talented when she has the opportunity to larn. She's funny, she'southward smart, she knows how to blend in with many dissimilar cultures and social classes, etc. Yes, like Kvothe, she seems to have a touch of Best-At-Everything-itis, merely it seems merely fair if he's going to have such a bad case of it.

As for the other women... I don't know. It's rather frustrating, though. It'southward been a while since I read Name of the Wind, simply I feel similar it's worse here - especially in the last 1/3 of the book where Kvothe gets to be The Best At Sex. I establish that whole bit read so much like a 16 year old boy'due south fanfics.

But other than that, I do call back the female characters are reasonably well written when they are actually present. The world does seem to have a rather pronounced gender imbalance, just I similar the fact that all the secondary grapheme women (as opposed to background characters) would be perfectly fine if Kvothe didn't exist. Fifty-fifty the ones he thinks needs him to save him, like Denna and Auri, do perfectly well taking intendance of themselves when he isn't effectually. In detail, I'm thinking of the way he gets nutrient and dress for Auri out of business organisation that she'd starve and freeze to death without him - then he's gone for the improve part of the year and returns to find her totally fine, merely like she was before he met her.

Sandy Morley The day Auri tin exist described as "wish fulfillment cardboard-cutout…decorative [in] function" is the day books take on a higher class and fly off to heaven where their grace is better contained.

Accept you even read the books? His adversary is probably the closest affair to a cardboard cutting-out, (classic rich-boy despises poor-male child) and he's inappreciably a female person.

Mel Rothfuss himself speaks to the difficulty of writing Denna in an interview linked on his folio. He says that she is especially challenging because we come across her through Kvothe's eyes, and she is the one person that Kvothe can't come across objectively.

Furthermore, we have to empathise the narrative structure of Kingkiller Chronicles. Kvothe is our narrator, and he had significant relationships within his troupe. But he is broken when his troupe is killed, and depth within relationships--whatsoever human relationship--is difficult for Kvothe to form because he sees any relationship as one that could be lost. (Await how easily he leaves the University, or doesn't realize the demand to write to assure his friends of his prophylactic.) In order to get that depth, nosotros would need to see the story from someone else's optics--or from an omniscient narrator. Kvothe is many things, only omniscient he'due south not.

And really, connecting with women in whatever human relationship was challenging for Kvothe--call back, he's a teenager who'south still trapped by the loss of his family. Women are a mystery, and besides, he's driven by the need to observe the Chandrian, not develop lasting roots and relationships.

Higher up all, nosotros take to call back he's non telling this story to show his relationships--his goal is to tell the story--the unvarnished story--of Kvothe; he's not spending time on the relationships he has considering that's not the purpose. Instead, he's a lonely wanderer, searching for the answers anywhere the wind takes him. Even every bit an innkeeper, he's still solitary, separated from the society in which he lives--somewhat considering of the secrets he holds and somewhat considering of the part he'southward adopted within the community.

Dawnstream Uh, almost all the female characters in this series are powerhouses. Denna has lung problems, no trade or any marketable skills (which is discussed in detail early in this volume), and previous trauma. She spends her life on the edge of desperation, and Kvothe is drawn to assistance her, though she claims she doesn't demand it. Kvothe has his useful friends (Fela, Devi, Mola, Marie, Vashet, Felurian, etc.), and his friends that make him feel useful (Denna and Auri). Your question makes it obvious that you didn't read the book, so maybe that'southward a skilful place to kickoff.

Valentine Decorative is not how I would put it. But they're definitely an alibi to show Kvothe'south heroism. Like when he slaughters the fake troupe considering they are evil rapists... This is just so boringly mutual in pop civilisation. All most how the man is so enraged that there are monsters who would do that, and how information technology justifies his bloody vengeance.
After the heroic rescue, i of the girls says she hates men (she'southward only been raped repeatedly) and Kvothe literally goes "notallmen" on her.

And it's not just that one time, it shows a lot in the volume - how some men are so disgusting (similar Ambrose) but non Kvothe of course, who is a sexual practice-god and nifty defender of the vaginas.

Denna, I don't know, I thought she was annoying the first time I read the volume, but at present I jut reread it, it'due south generally how Kvothe sees her that'southward actually annoying... And I think that's intentional, and then it's pretty well done.

Despite all that, I all the same love the books and reread them several time hehe

Katoo Deziel Yeahhh the women could be written better. There is so much good most these books that this flaw is terribly obvious.

Avaminn F'nett What about Fela? Auri? Devi? Mola? Penthe? Celean?

Denna is the ONLY female character like that in the volume. There are plenty of others that are useful and interesting.

Nathan Hunt

This answer contains spoilers… (view spoiler)[I tend to agree with the people that support the ideas opposed to yours. The women aren't lame at all. And Denna has some strengths, as well. She's a good musician and she helps Kvothe not be a shitty person and he tries to help her with the same. But that'south excusable, I think, because in the earth at that place are shitty people in a diverseness of ways, Denna's fashion included.
Auri is similar because she helps Kvothe in the same way and he tries to help her. And her beingness the way she is, that'due south also excusable because something obviously happened to her that fabricated her kind of messed upwards in the caput. I don't know what that is because I haven't read The Slow Regard of Silent Things and it might explain it in there, simply I feel like, if nosotros don't, then nosotros'll get that answer in book three.
Fela is a pretty crawly woman, besides. True, she did demand saving in the burn, but she was in the middle of it. I think that is an excuse to freak out some. Kvothe, equally I remember it, was on the sidelines and took himself off of the bench after he was able to remember about it while non being in the eye of the problem. She then, does autumn for Kvothe a bit, but not too difficult to ruin in. She falls for Simmon and they're much ameliorate together. She didn't fall in dearest with Simmon for a dumb reason, either. She actually needed a reason, which she found in the Athenaeum that i time, which I thought was kinda cute. Fela is pretty awesome, though. She'southward not just pretty, she'south really smart. She calls on the name of stone, after all and when she's non doing that, she's being smart in other places around the University.
Mola's pretty smart and good at her medical stuff, which may be a cliche, simply I call back she has other redeemable characteristics. She'southward an El'the, for one.
Devi is just Devi. She's not weak at all, I would say. She serves quite an important function with helping Kvothe financially, then gets mad at him for a while, then she doesn't just serve equally a "deus ex machina" sort of character to assistance him.
Vashet is probably the most badass. 'Cause she's an awesome warrior that would totally kick Kvothe's barrel and she helps him not suck so much.
I could go on for quite a bit longer with Lyra, Laurian, and a few more. I retrieve the reason that most of the characters that Kvothe is predominantly surrounded by are male is because he is a male. Teenage boys tend to be friends with their like, but that doesn't mean there are exceptions and in that location are plenty of awesome exceptions. In the beginning of TNotW, Kvothe doesn't actually seem to accept any friends, and then he's only with his drunkard customers in the Waystone Inn as Kote or with his family as the immature Kvothe. When he'due south in Turbean, he'due south, more or less, completely on his own, so there is really no one. I think the fact that the dude the helps all of the orphaned kids and such beingness male is a good thing. It separates the story a scrap more from stereotypical gender roles. It's a adept book and I think you're wrong or are a bit narrow-minded at the least. (hide spoiler)]

Georgie I will concur that the women and girls in the volume are seen through a young mans eyes. That'south every bit it should be,in my opinion. The characters are young. The writing of the whole series has been a please. Unusual people that you don't oftentimes run into realized in a novel are treated with respect and compassion and kindness. What's wrong with seeing someone hurt dislocated mistreated with real feelings, acting out? The Slow Regard of Silent Things I see a story about an amazing damaged young women.

Ken Hulse I concur and why does he keep following her around similar a maudlin child. Most of us would have moved on and non wasted the years. It is the one office of the book I don't like. I am not sure that women accept a decorative part though. The women fighters are certainly not decorative. Quite the contrary. I remember he wrote i book subsequently about the character who lives under the schoolhouse. Maybe that would requite you lot a better idea of his use of female characters?

Skep Why is your question so "shittily" written? Y'all managed to make non a single interesting or thoughtful insight while also projecting your own insecurities. Mayhap books aren't for you.

Taylor I love every aspect of these books except the female person characters. They're and so poorly written, unfortunately. In their character development, actions, interactions with male person characters - I totally hold they serve an extremely decorative part. The female person representation (through characters and authors) in this male dominated genre is already problematic. It's not an excuse that they're written through the perspective of a male person and a young male person at that - do ameliorate.

Artelion Funny thing is Patrick is neoliberal and you tin can see that in his books but still feminist aren't satisfied. They are never satisfied. You should terminate being so obsessed with female representation and care more virtually the male person ane which is almost non existent in modern books

Heidi Did you miss the Adem portion of the book? Where women are far and away superior to men?

Conway I feel Denna was quite realistic, having meet more than than 1 such character in my life. The lady who has had a cleaved human relationship with their parents, particularly the father. I approximate we are shitty in some parts of our lives, or maybe I'chiliad but speaking for myself.